This week on the GovNavigators Show, Justin Baer, Senior Vice President at Fors Marsh, returns to share his perspective on the future of federal evaluation. Drawing from his recent article, Justin outlines why traditional approaches to evidence building are falling short—and what needs to change. 

Show Notes
GovExec: The Baer Method: A Roadmap for Agile Evidence Building 

Events on the GovNavigators' Radar
May 13: AGA's Performance Counts Summit
May 22: PSC's FedHealth Conference

This week on the GovNavigators Show, former Comptroller General David M. Walker joins to discuss his tenure leading the Government Accountability Office and his mission to drive lasting reform across the federal government. He reflects on how he transformed GAO into a more efficient, strategically focused agency and makes the case for why the rest of government must follow suit.

Show Notes
GSA: OneGov Strategy for IT

Events on the GovNavigators' Radar
May 4-6: ACT-IAC's Emerging Technology & Innovation Conference
May 5-9: Public Service Recognition Week
May 7: AABPA Panel on Budget and Performance  
May 13: AGA’s Performance Counts Summit 

This week on the GovNavigators Show, Norm Dong, Partner at FD Stonewater, joins to share insights from his distinguished career managing the federal government’s vast real estate portfolio. Reflecting on his tenure in public service, he discusses the complexities of property disposal, the impact of return-to-office policies on government facilities, and how agencies are adapting their real estate strategies for the future.

Show Notes
GSA: Top Ten Contractor Update 

Executive Order: Strengthening Probationary Periods in the Federal Service

Events on the GovNavigators' Radar
April 29: UiPath's Ushering in the Era of Efficiency 
May 4-6: ACT-IAC's Emerging Technology and Innovation Conference 
May 13: AGA's Performance Counts Summit

This week on the GovNavigators Show, Andrew Pavord joins to reflect on a career that spans academia, local and federal government, and the private sector. As President of the American Association for Budget and Program Analysis and CEO of the Federal Consulting Alliance, he unpacks the budget reconciliation process and its impact on fiscal policy. Recorded just before the latest bill’s passage, the conversation explores congressional procedures, spending limits, and what it will take to confront the growing deficit.

Show Notes
Executive Orders: 

• Restoring Common Sense to Federal Procurement

• Restoring Common Sense to Federal Office Space Management

• Permitting Technology Modernization

• Ensuring Commercial Cost-effective Solutions in Federal Contracts

• Eliminating Information Silos

Congress: House Unlocks Reconciliation 

Events on the GovNavigators' Radar

• April 22: ACT-IAC's Federal Tech Market Update II

• April 27-29: PSC Annual Conference

• April 29: UiPath’s Ushering in the Era of Efficiency  

• May 13: AGA’s Performance Counts Summit 

This week, the GovNavigators are joined by Tim Brennan, Vice President of Government Relations at Professional Services Council, to discuss how PSC is helping its members navigate today’s uncertain political climate. Tim highlights PSC’s role in sharing information, identifying opportunities, and keeping a close eye on developments at the Capitol. He also previews PSC’s annual conference and why now is the perfect time for industry leaders to come together and strategize for the road ahead.

Show Notes
Executive Orders: 

• Modernizing Defense Acquisitions

• Reforming Foreign Defense Sales

• Reducing Anti-Competitive Regulatory Barriers

Congress: House Unlocks Reconciliation 

Events on the GovNavigators' Radar
April 17: EDM Council's Public Sectors Forum: The Data Foundation on the Future of Data Transparency
April 22: ACT-IAC's Federal Tech Market Update II
April 27-29: PSC Annual Conference

This week on the GovNavigators Show, we wrap up our two-part conversation with David Lebryk, former Fiscal Assistant Secretary at the U.S. Treasury. In Part 2, David reflects on nearly 40 years of public service, the power of leadership, and what really happens inside Treasury. He shares lessons learned and offers timely advice for today’s federal workforce.

Show Notes
OMB Memo: Accelerating Federal Use of AI

OMB Memo: Driving Efficient Acquisition of AI in the Government 

Derek Thompson: The Abundance Agenda

Events on the GovNavigators' Radar
April 8: House Committee on Oversight and Government Reform Hearing on Federal Real Estate 

April 9: Senate Homeland Security & Governmental Affairs Committee meeting to vote on nominations of Scott Kupor(OPM Director) and Eric Ueland (OMB DDM) 

April 9: Eptura and JLL’s webinar on right-sizing your federal office

April 22: ACT-IAC's Federal Tech Market Update II   

This week on the GovNavigators Show, we welcome David Lebryk, former Fiscal Assistant Secretary at the U.S. Department of the Treasury, for Part 1 of a two-part conversation. David shares the path that led him from a childhood shaped by public service to a decades-long career in government. He reflects on the people, programs, and pivotal moments that influenced his journey, and why his story might be a blueprint for the next generation of public servants.

Events on the GovNavigators' Radar
April 3, 2025: 

•  AI in Action at DHS

• GovExec’s Evening of Honors 

April 9, 2025:

• Eptura and JLL’s webinar on right-sizing your federal office  

This week, the GovNavigators welcome Allison Brigati, former Deputy Administrator of the General Services Administration, and Daniel Heckman, CEO of MSI Consulting, to share lessons learned from the first Trump administration’s push for government efficiency. They discuss overcoming resistance to change, and harnessing automation and AI to modernize government functions. Additionally, they reflect on how these strategies could shape current reform efforts as we enter Trump’s second term.

Show Notes
President's Management Agenda: Trump Administration(2018), Cap Goal 6 Pg. 32

Events on the GovNavigators' Radar
March 24: FedRAMP 2025 Discussion with Pete Waterman 

March 26-28: Coleridge Initiative's Annual Convening

March 28: NAPA’s Standing Panel on Executive Organization and Management

Ed Amorosi, partner at Haynes Boone, joins the GovNavigators this week to discuss the legal battles over executive orders, personnel dismissals, and contract cancellations. He unpacks the jurisdictional disputes complicating these cases, their broader implications, and the upcoming court decisions that could set major precedents—including long-awaited clarity on the Impoundment Act.

Happy St. Patrick's Day!

Show Notes
Executive Order 14222: Federal agencies review all federal contracts & grants

Executive Order 14151: Eliminating DEI Programs

NIH: Indirect Cost Rates: Supplemental guidance 

"Well-nigh irrefragable proof:" The high standard for showing bad faith by a government official in terminating a contract for convenience

Events on the GovNavigators' Radar
March 19: ACT-IAC's Emerging Tech Demo Day
March 20: AWS’ Federal Forum 

This week, the GovNavigators welcome Nikki Clowers, Managing Director of the Office of Congressional Relations at GAO, to explore the vital role GAO plays in supporting oversight on Capitol Hill. She breaks down the GAO High Risk List—why it matters, how it guides government reform, and what it reveals about agencies in need of transformation. 

Show Notes
GAO: High-Risk Report
Trump's Joint Address to Congress: Key Highlights

Events on the GovNavigators' Radar

March 11: The House Committee on Oversight and Government Reform Hearing: Moving from Recovery to Prevention of Improper Payments and Fraud 

March 13: FedScoop’s Federal Forum 

March 12: ACT-IAC's Federal Tech Market Update

March 19: ACT-IAC's Emerging Tech Demo Day

From Silicon Valley to just north of Capitol Hill, Betsy Beaumon joins the GovNavigators Show to share how she brought tech-driven transformation to the Social Security Administration. She reflects on her personal connection to SSA’s mission, the creation of the Office of Transformation, and the major strides made in improving security, operations, and customer experience.

Show Notes
GAO: High-Risk Report
DOGE EO: Implementing the President's "Department of Government Efficiency" Cost Efficiency Initiative 

Events on the GovNavigators' Radar
March 4: The President addresses a Joint Session of Congress at 9:00 p.m. ET
March 12: ACT-IAC's Federal Tech Market Update
March 19: ACT-IAC's Emerging Tech Demo Day

This week, The GovNavigators welcomes one of our favorite guests, Kelly Morrison, Senior Vice President at HumanTouch. With a distinguished 16-year tenure in the federal government she shares insights from her federal service and explores how data management and modernization can drive efficiency within DOGE's mission. 

Show Notes
Presidential Actions:  

• Radical Transparency about Wasteful Spending 

• Ensuring Accountability for all Agencies 

• Commencing the Reduction of the Federal Bureaucracy 

• Ensuring Lawful Governance-DOGE Initiative 

OPM Memos: 

• Amendment to Temporary Transitional Senior Executive Service Appointment Authorities 

Events on the GovNavigators' Radar
February 25: House Oversight and Government Reform Committee Hearing on GAO’s High-Risk List. 

March 12 : ACT-IAC's Federal Tech Market Update 

March 19: ACT-IAC's Emerging Tech Demo Day

The GovNavigators would like to take a moment to honor Presidents Day as we prepare for another busy week. The DOGE mania is in full swing, and Congress is scheduled to hear a budget resolution on the House floor following the Presidents' Day recess.

As the new administration takes shape, C-SPAN's Director of Communications, Howard Mortman, joins the GovNavigators to share insights on the network's coverage, from confirmation hearings to shifts between administrations and what's on the network's horizon.

Show Notes
Trump Administration Actions: Deferred Resignation Program Blocked by Federal Judge
Find Federal Expenditures: USASpending.gov

Events on the GovNavigators' Radar
February 13: Shared Services Leadership Coalition’s Forum on its Transformation Proposal. RSVP by emailing Info@sharedservicesnow.org or registering here.   February 19-20: AGA’s National Leadership Training  
February 20: PSC’s Federal Law Enforcement Conference 

As the Bloomberg Center for Government Excellence marks its 10th anniversary, Executive Director Amy Edwards Holmes joins the GovNavigators show to reflect on GovEx’s impact and unveil her next steps. She discusses the center’s strides in modernizing data for real-world change and shares her insights on the future of AI in government.

Show Notes
OMB Memo: Federal Financial Assistance Pause Rescinded
OPM Memo: Federal Administrative Leave 
2025 Fed 100: List Announced

Events on the GovNavigators' Radar
February 2: PSC’s Annual Leadership Summit  
February 4-6: Shared Services Leadership Coalition’s Event: Federal Shared Services - Leveraging a Best Practice to Improve Government 
February 19: ACT-IAC's Digital Transformation Summit
February 19-20: AGA’s National Leadership Training  
February 20: PSC’s Federal Law Enforcement Conference 

As the new administration takes control, government efficiency takes center stage. Congressman Pete Sessions, Chair of the DOGE Caucus, joins the GovNavigators to discuss the role of the DOGE Caucus, his vision for government modernization, and his efforts to reduce waste, fraud, and abuse in government.

Show Notes
Trump Administration's First Week: Presidential Actions
Congressional Testimony: Examining a Path Forward to Assess Agencies’ Efforts to Prevent Improper Payments & Fraud
Inauguration Recap: Five Key Moments

Events on the GovNavigators' Radar
January 30: Growth Officers Association’s Navigating Federal Procurement Event
February 2: PSC’s Annual Leadership Summit  
February 4-6: Shared Services Leadership Coalition’s Event: Federal Shared Services - Leveraging a Best Practice to Improve Government 
February 19: ACT-IAC's Digital Transformation Summit
February 19-20: AGA’s National Leadership Training  
February 20: PSC’s Federal Law Enforcement Conference 

Loren DeJonge Schulman, Associate Director of the Office of Performance and Personnel Management within the Office of Management and Budget, joins the GovNavigator show to reflect on her experiences in the federal government and celebrate her team's achievements. In her discussion with Adam and Robert, Loren shares her favorite memories from OMB, what she is most proud of, and what she would pursue if she had more time. Happy Martin Luther King Jr. Day!

Events on the GovNavigators' Radar
January 20: Inauguration of the 47th President of the United States 
January 23: Data Foundation’s Live Virtual event: Understanding OMB’s new “Open by Default” Data Management Guidance  
February 2: PSC’s Annual Leadership Summit  
February 19: ACT-IAC's Digital Transformation Summit
February 19-20: AGA’s National Leadership Training  
February 20: PSC’s Federal Law Enforcement Conference 

With January 20 approaching, Federal News Network Executive Editor Jason Miller joins the show to discuss DOGE and brings some much needed reality to the reported trillion-dollar cuts to the federal budget. He also shares his insights on the upcoming presidential transition and shares an update on the current efforts of the agency landing teams.

Show Notes
Trump Administration Announcement: 100 Executive Orders
DOGE Update: $2 Trillion is Best Case Scenario
President Jimmy Carter Funeral Service: Memorable moments

Events on the GovNavigators' Radar
January 15: ACT-IAC's Winter Membership Meeting
February 2: PSC’s Annual Leadership Summit 
February 19: ACT-IAC's Digital Transformation Summit
February 19-20:AGA’s National Leadership Training 
February 20: PSC’s Federal Law Enforcement Conference 

Season 3 kicked off with Charles Cooper, Founder and Managing Partner of the Brumidi Group, celebrating the new year with Robert and Adam by crafting significant predictions for 2025. His expert insights on the infamous Department of Government Efficiency and the future of Congress under the Trump Administration are sure to pique your interest. Happy New Year!

Show Notes
Congressional Updates: Speaker Johnson Re-elected
Biden Message: Message to the Congress on Death of James Earl Carter, Jr.

Events on the GovNavigators' Radar
January 7-9: Events surrounding the funeral of President Jimmy Carter.
January 15: ACT-IAC's Winter Membership Meeting

Robert and Adam wrap up the year with a look back at the season’s podcast highlights, a dive into DOGE mania, and insights into what’s ahead for next year. Wishing you happy holidays!

Show NotesGAO : Fraud Risk Management Report
Biden EO: Executive Order on the safe, secure, and trustworthy Development and Use of Artificial Intelligence    
FedRAMP: Securing Cloud Services for the federal Government Evaluations

Events on the GovNavigators' RadarATARC's Public Sector Summit (December 18th) Register
Meritalk’s TechTonic celebration of FITARA’s A’s (December 19th) Register